Tuesday, November 19, 2013


The exchange started on a story about one Rep. Louie Gohmert (R. Texas) who believes thatthe Bible is a Jim Dandy reference book. At least when it comes to our foreign policy decisions about Israel

The other guy: This debate is about faith vs. faith, not science vs. religion.
Over the years, evolutionists have managed to falsely frame the debate on human origins as one of science vs. religion, thus reserving for themselves the only pulpit in the nation’s classrooms. While it is certainly comfortable for them to be the only ones allowed to speak, this shuts off all debate and destroys the academic freedom that should be the cornerstone of our educational system.
For years our classrooms have been reduced from educational institutions to indoctrination centers for evolution. Evolution, by definition, presupposes the absence of God (atheism). Students indoctrinated with this world view inevitably move on to extremely damaging conclusions and behavioral consequences on a host of other issues. Our whole national character has thus been corrupted and perhaps fatally damaged because of this intentional brainwashing.

Me: “Evolution presupposes nothing, The how is not addressed. ANd man biology classes sure are powerful. English, history, math, physicis all those other classes have no influence at all. Incidentally I accept evolution and I'm also a believer. Quaker. Incidentally Darwin did not invent evolution. He described the process of natural selection. He couldn't say how, since genes hadn't been discovered yet.”

The other guy: You have a problem then one of the leading biologists Richard Dawkins was once asked why there are still apes, why did they not all evolve, as you know they share 98 percent of genetic makeup with humans, and his answer was well you see way back billions of years ago we split off from apes into humans, Gods word however does not say that it says that God made man in His image and so the problem is this, you all have it backwards because God used the same building blocks to make apes after making man!

Me: Ah, but that two or three percent difference. Upright, bipedal locomotion, opposable thumbs, bigger brains, the ability to speak. We had all those to start with. Apes did and do not. Apes can modify parts of their environment to make what passed for tools. We went beyond that. We not only knocked rocks together, we imagined new shapes and then figured out how to combine them with other parts of our world to make things no ape ever imagined. Spears, arrows, scythes, needles, boats. clothing. We sure as heck  had to have them  because we don't have fur coats, we're slow runners, we don't have fangs and we don't have claws. .

By the same argument why do we still have sharks and sturgeons with their skeletons made of cartilege, not bone? Because sharks fill their little piece of the world very, very well. As long as they don't get finned for soup.

The other guy: Yes I have some reading for you, the first chapter of Romans, it will be easy just google Romans chapter 1!

(I looked up the reference. I’m not going to bother quoting it here. I think the relevant portion has to do with the fate of unbelievers) And you'll notice nothing I said was addressed. I just got another Bible verse. Shrug. 

Me: The Bible is not a science text book. And I suspect Paul, if he was the author, would be surprised to see the way we use his letters.

The other guy: Science is built on the wrong foundation, the Bible is the right one!
(Genesis 3:19) “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
What are the scientific proof that man’s body came from the dust of the ground, as the Bible says? The human body is made up of materials and minerals found on the surface of the ground, and not from the core of the earth. Oxygen, being the most abundant element on the earth’s crust or on the ground, makes up 65 percent of the human body, and carbon, also abundant on the top soil of the ground, is 18 percent, and hydrogen is 10 percent. The 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earths crust. This is amazing because what the Bible says perfectly match the scientific composition of a human body.
Unless I run across something really, really out there I probably won’t revisit this subject for awhile. You have to admire this guy’s absolute, adamantine focus. Nothing, absolutely nothing that doesn't fit his programming will make it through. Yet this person, who appears to have absolutely no understanding of how science or much of anything else works is probably old enough to vote, is registered to vote and is able to cast his ballot for whoever is the equivalent of Louie Gohmert in his home state. And that ladies and gentlemen is fucking scary. 

And I didn’t bother to take the time to answer the last entry. Let him think he scored a point off me. One: Obviously it would have been a complete waste of time. Two: At this point anything I would have said would never have made it past the mods because it would have run something like this: Yo spam for brains. Yes you. Of course the human body and every other living thing on this planet contains the elements from the earth surface. THAT’S WHERE WE EVOLVED!!!!!!! Damn it, You take all the wonder out of what makes us human. 

To be continued. 


Lisa :-] said...

My response to "the other guy's" last post would have been something like, "Funny you are able to quote all these scientific facts to support your argument. How do you know the elements in the earth's crust are the same as the ones that comprise the human body? Did the bible tell you that? If your argument is that science is "built on the wrong foundation," then using science to PROVE YOUR ARGUMENT doesn't really work, does it? Face it: you're screwed here, chief." Duh.

JACKIE said...

I've tried that before, not with this guy. It just doesn't get through. And that is what's scary. These folks can vote for the likes of Louie Gohmert, a rep who can speak out on how this country does science even though he knows next to nothing about science. Face slap, head bump.